Comments on: An Introduction to OpenType Substitution Features http://ilovetypography.com/2010/06/18/an-introduction-to-opentype-substitution-features/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:38:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Mohsinfancy http://ilovetypography.com/2010/06/18/an-introduction-to-opentype-substitution-features/#comment-19115 Mohsinfancy Mon, 12 Jul 2010 06:48:25 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/?p=9087#comment-19115 Great article.. Great help. Mohsinfancy. Great article.. Great help.

Mohsinfancy.

]]> By: Jordan http://ilovetypography.com/2010/06/18/an-introduction-to-opentype-substitution-features/#comment-19094 Jordan Fri, 09 Jul 2010 20:40:34 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/?p=9087#comment-19094 Thank you so much for the article, very clear and very easy to understand, also love the website, great layout Thank you so much for the article, very clear and very easy to understand, also love the website, great layout

]]> By: Christoph http://ilovetypography.com/2010/06/18/an-introduction-to-opentype-substitution-features/#comment-19011 Christoph Thu, 01 Jul 2010 20:04:30 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/?p=9087#comment-19011 @ Phil I'm planning to make a short Word 2010 feature tutorial on my own website, but I'm afraid it will be in German then. Maybe i should think of crossposting it somewhere in English ... @ Lewis Always interested! @ Kent Thanks for your helpful hints! Actually I just looked into the support PDF of QuarkXpress to check the OpenType feature support, but I'm sure you're right and ornm is treated like in InDesign. So, Martin will remove the mark to keep the table consistent. @ Phil
I’m planning to make a short Word 2010 feature tutorial on my own website, but I’m afraid it will be in German then. Maybe i should think of crossposting it somewhere in English …

@ Lewis
Always interested!

@ Kent
Thanks for your helpful hints!
Actually I just looked into the support PDF of QuarkXpress to check the OpenType feature support, but I’m sure you’re right and ornm is treated like in InDesign. So, Martin will remove the mark to keep the table consistent.

]]> By: Kent Lew http://ilovetypography.com/2010/06/18/an-introduction-to-opentype-substitution-features/#comment-18987 Kent Lew Mon, 28 Jun 2010 16:05:51 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/?p=9087#comment-18987 Sorry, I meant “neither presents an actual Ornaments menu command to implement the gsub type <em>1</em> substitution in text . . . in the way that Photoshop does.” Sorry, I meant “neither presents an actual Ornaments menu command to implement the gsub type 1 substitution in text … in the way that Photoshop does.”

]]> By: Kent Lew http://ilovetypography.com/2010/06/18/an-introduction-to-opentype-substitution-features/#comment-18986 Kent Lew Mon, 28 Jun 2010 16:04:03 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/?p=9087#comment-18986 Martin — Happy to contribute in some small way. Another thing I’m curious about: Your table indicates support for {ornm} in Quark 7 & 8, but not in InDesign. As far as I’ve been able to determine, the support for {ornm} is the same in both. That is to say, both will subset the glyph palette to {ornm}, and both will present the ornament(s) as fly-out alts for the bullet (gsub type 3) plus any one-to-one mapping (gsub type 1) written into the feature. But neither presents an actual Ornaments menu command to implement the gsub type 3 substitution in text, according to the second part of the spec and in the way that Photoshop does. So, I’m not sure why the discrepancy in your table. Unless there’s a hidden command in Quark that I’m not aware of. Martin — Happy to contribute in some small way.

Another thing I’m curious about: Your table indicates support for {ornm} in Quark 7 & 8, but not in InDesign. As far as I’ve been able to determine, the support for {ornm} is the same in both.

That is to say, both will subset the glyph palette to {ornm}, and both will present the ornament(s) as fly-out alts for the bullet (gsub type 3) plus any one-to-one mapping (gsub type 1) written into the feature.

But neither presents an actual Ornaments menu command to implement the gsub type 3 substitution in text, according to the second part of the spec and in the way that Photoshop does.

So, I’m not sure why the discrepancy in your table. Unless there’s a hidden command in Quark that I’m not aware of.

]]> By: Martin Wenzel http://ilovetypography.com/2010/06/18/an-introduction-to-opentype-substitution-features/#comment-18985 Martin Wenzel Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:08:29 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/?p=9087#comment-18985 Kent, I’ve just checked InDesign CS4 and found that the super-/subscript are indeed faux superscripts and subscripts (not sure what CS5 does), thus indeed an error :-( We’ll fix it and include the change in the update of the article (that will also include support for XeTeX). Many thanks for pointing it out! Kent, I’ve just checked InDesign CS4 and found that the super-/subscript are indeed faux superscripts and subscripts (not sure what CS5 does), thus indeed an error :-( We’ll fix it and include the change in the update of the article (that will also include support for XeTeX).

Many thanks for pointing it out!

]]> By: Kent Lew http://ilovetypography.com/2010/06/18/an-introduction-to-opentype-substitution-features/#comment-18982 Kent Lew Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:43:07 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/?p=9087#comment-18982 Very nice article. I agree with Chris [Lozos] that the app/vers. support chart is very useful, even for those of us for whom the rest of the OT Feature information is quite familiar. Very nice presentation. Well done. I would like to point out one thing, however, that I found to be either in error, or at least misleading. In the interactive InDesign menu at the end, it indicates that the non-OT Superscript and Subscript commands (in the first submenu) will invoke {sups} and {subs}. This is not true. These two commands will produce faux superscripts and subscripts according to the settings in Preferences > Advanced Type, even if {sups} or {subs} is present. At least, this is the case for InDesign CS3. I suppose perhaps this was changed in CS4 or 5 so that an OTL feature takes precedence and the faux settings are a fallback (the way {smcp} does with Small Caps). I don’t know. If so, you might update your presentation to reflect these nuances. Very nice article. I agree with Chris [Lozos] that the app/vers. support chart is very useful, even for those of us for whom the rest of the OT Feature information is quite familiar. Very nice presentation. Well done.

I would like to point out one thing, however, that I found to be either in error, or at least misleading. In the interactive InDesign menu at the end, it indicates that the non-OT Superscript and Subscript commands (in the first submenu) will invoke {sups} and {subs}. This is not true.

These two commands will produce faux superscripts and subscripts according to the settings in Preferences > Advanced Type, even if {sups} or {subs} is present. At least, this is the case for InDesign CS3.

I suppose perhaps this was changed in CS4 or 5 so that an OTL feature takes precedence and the faux settings are a fallback (the way {smcp} does with Small Caps). I don’t know.

If so, you might update your presentation to reflect these nuances.

]]> By: Lewis Bullock http://ilovetypography.com/2010/06/18/an-introduction-to-opentype-substitution-features/#comment-18981 Lewis Bullock Mon, 28 Jun 2010 12:52:14 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/?p=9087#comment-18981 Oh boy I'd wish this had been published a few months back <em>before</em> I researched all this the long (and messy) way for my final year graphic design project revolving around an experimental use of contextual alternates. Blimey! P.s. If you'd like to see it, throw me an email wave@lewisbullock.com Oh boy I’d wish this had been published a few months back before I researched all this the long (and messy) way for my final year graphic design project revolving around an experimental use of contextual alternates. Blimey!

P.s. If you’d like to see it, throw me an email wave@lewisbullock.com

]]> By: Tim http://ilovetypography.com/2010/06/18/an-introduction-to-opentype-substitution-features/#comment-18980 Tim Mon, 28 Jun 2010 10:47:29 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/?p=9087#comment-18980 Ditto Matt Hex. Thanks a ton for this article, it's going to help me so much! Ditto Matt Hex. Thanks a ton for this article, it’s going to help me so much!

]]> By: Rory http://ilovetypography.com/2010/06/18/an-introduction-to-opentype-substitution-features/#comment-18979 Rory Mon, 28 Jun 2010 08:47:21 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/?p=9087#comment-18979 Tasty stuff, found this article really helpful a little long but a lot interesting. cheerrs Tasty stuff, found this article really helpful a little long but a lot interesting. cheerrs

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