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	<title>Comments on: The library of the Gutenberg Museum</title>
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		<title>By: keukens</title>
		<link>http://ilovetypography.com/2010/03/01/the-library-of-the-gutenberg-museum/#comment-18471</link>
		<dc:creator>keukens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should visit the city of Mainz too when you are there. It&#039;s really beautiful...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should visit the city of Mainz too when you are there. It&#8217;s really beautiful&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Attitude Design &#124; Graphic Design Portfolio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Attitude Design &#124; Graphic Design Portfolio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post - I love those old type faces. It&#039;s amazing to think of the impact that Gutenberg&#039;s invention made on the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post - I love those old type faces. It&#8217;s amazing to think of the impact that Gutenberg&#8217;s invention made on the world.</p>
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		<title>By: jchao</title>
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		<dc:creator>jchao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ar~~great web site</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ar~~great web site</p>
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		<title>By: rory</title>
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		<dc:creator>rory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting and informative post, I don&#039;t really know anything about fonts, being a web designer with my head firmly buried in my mac the only fonts I know about are web friendly ones. But I&#039;ve always enjoyed typography and posts like this increases my type knowledge, finding out the history is fascinating and to think these are hundreds of years old, incredible!
Great post</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting and informative post, I don&#8217;t really know anything about fonts, being a web designer with my head firmly buried in my mac the only fonts I know about are web friendly ones. But I&#8217;ve always enjoyed typography and posts like this increases my type knowledge, finding out the history is fascinating and to think these are hundreds of years old, incredible!<br />
Great post</p>
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		<title>By: Davidikus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davidikus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dan: you have a point, I may have been a bit strong in my wording. There is much I dislike about the middle-ages but not all. 

@Elcerezo: thanks for the link, I shall make sure to look at it carefully.

@Brian Maloney: I hear what you say about Typo-Upright but Civilité has some distinctive features or am I wrong? (NB. You can still see a lot of handwritten Civilité/Typo-Upright/Linus/French Script in Paris, on windows of Cafés.

Thanks everyone for their answer to my questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dan: you have a point, I may have been a bit strong in my wording. There is much I dislike about the middle-ages but not all. </p>
<p>@Elcerezo: thanks for the link, I shall make sure to look at it carefully.</p>
<p>@Brian Maloney: I hear what you say about Typo-Upright but Civilité has some distinctive features or am I wrong? (NB. You can still see a lot of handwritten Civilité/Typo-Upright/Linus/French Script in Paris, on windows of Cafés.</p>
<p>Thanks everyone for their answer to my questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Farnoosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Farnoosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some posts I read for information, knowledge, stimulation. Yours I read for a visual meditation. So beautiful are these fonts and the typography. So many various kinds. Such variety at our fingertips!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some posts I read for information, knowledge, stimulation. Yours I read for a visual meditation. So beautiful are these fonts and the typography. So many various kinds. Such variety at our fingertips!</p>
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		<title>By: I Love Typography + The Gutenberg Museum &#124; Infoservi.it</title>
		<link>http://ilovetypography.com/2010/03/01/the-library-of-the-gutenberg-museum/#comment-18409</link>
		<dc:creator>I Love Typography + The Gutenberg Museum &#124; Infoservi.it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] articolo su I Love Typography: The Library of the Gutenberg Museum. Dico &#8220;bellissimo&#8221; anche solo da guardare, perché si tratta di un&#8217;analisi da (e [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] articolo su I Love Typography: The Library of the Gutenberg Museum. Dico &#8220;bellissimo&#8221; anche solo da guardare, perché si tratta di un&#8217;analisi da (e [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the thoughtful comment, Brian! I&#039;ll try to explain my reasoning:

First, I wouldn&#039;t say that I subscribe to any single specific method of typeface classification. I think that reporting what kind of style a typeface takes requires more than just the date of when it was used, and more than certain formal characteristics. For instance, you write the Civilité is a 16th century letterform. But Fraktur is also a 16th century letterform, its birth being commonly attributed to the Emperor Maximilian&#039;s court in Nuremberg, around 1517 (although Gerrit Noordzij argues for even earlier, Burgundian conception). But for me, Fraktur is not just a 16th century script. Fraktur evloved and changed over time. I&#039;d argue even that Fraktur is also a 20th century script. Fraktur continued to develop and see massive use long after Civilité fell out of fashion. Sure Civilité saw 20th and 21st century revivals, but nothing on the scale of the use of Blackletter in Germany during the first half of the 20th century (e.g., if Rudolf Koch didn&#039;t reinvent Fraktur is the first years of the 20th century, he certainly reinvigorated it).

I think that classification is bigger than a single letter… i.e., the lowercase o. I have seen some sources that list Civilité as an extension of the &lt;em&gt;Notula&lt;/em&gt; or notary hand branch of letters. For me, the earlier notary hands are definitely broken scripts. Their letters are dark, their strokes end pointedly, and many of their curves are broken. The same is true, in my eye, for Civilité&#039;s letters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the thoughtful comment, Brian! I&#8217;ll try to explain my reasoning:</p>
<p>First, I wouldn&#8217;t say that I subscribe to any single specific method of typeface classification. I think that reporting what kind of style a typeface takes requires more than just the date of when it was used, and more than certain formal characteristics. For instance, you write the Civilité is a 16th century letterform. But Fraktur is also a 16th century letterform, its birth being commonly attributed to the Emperor Maximilian&#8217;s court in Nuremberg, around 1517 (although Gerrit Noordzij argues for even earlier, Burgundian conception). But for me, Fraktur is not just a 16th century script. Fraktur evloved and changed over time. I&#8217;d argue even that Fraktur is also a 20th century script. Fraktur continued to develop and see massive use long after Civilité fell out of fashion. Sure Civilité saw 20th and 21st century revivals, but nothing on the scale of the use of Blackletter in Germany during the first half of the 20th century (e.g., if Rudolf Koch didn&#8217;t reinvent Fraktur is the first years of the 20th century, he certainly reinvigorated it).</p>
<p>I think that classification is bigger than a single letter… i.e., the lowercase o. I have seen some sources that list Civilité as an extension of the <em>Notula</em> or notary hand branch of letters. For me, the earlier notary hands are definitely broken scripts. Their letters are dark, their strokes end pointedly, and many of their curves are broken. The same is true, in my eye, for Civilité&#8217;s letters.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Maloney</title>
		<link>http://ilovetypography.com/2010/03/01/the-library-of-the-gutenberg-museum/#comment-18401</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Maloney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 21:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan &amp; John, this was a brilliant post with great depth and visuals. I was happy to see the Schwabacher listed as an extension of the Bastarda.
However, I have one point that I&#039;m happy to be corrected on, I never really considered Civilité as a gebrochene Schriften variation. It&#039;s too fluid for the pen to leave the page. I&#039;ve always thought of it as a French variation on the Italian chancery of the 16th cent., albeit pointier.
The o is the key in all off the gebrochene Schriften.
In the Textura it&#039;s hexagonal, in the Rotunda it&#039;s round, in the Bastarda it&#039;s lemon shaped (pointy at each end) and in the Fraktur it&#039;s flat on the left and curved on the right.
Each is a two stroke character with a 45 degree angled broad nibbed pen.
The Civilité has the right pen form, but is much more cursive in style than the gebrochene Schriften.
And it&#039;s o doesn&#039;t follow suit.
It&#039;s a 16th cent. letterform, not a 10th-15th.
From there it evolved independently of the English roundhand or copperplate scripts into the Gando or French Ronde styles of the 17th cent. like Typo-Upright.
It&#039;s the only question I have about an otherwise brilliant piece. I keep planning on doing something like this (writing something useful) though time rarely permits. So please don&#039;t take this as a criticism and if I am wrong I would love to be corrected.
Cheers guys! Great work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan &amp; John, this was a brilliant post with great depth and visuals. I was happy to see the Schwabacher listed as an extension of the Bastarda.<br />
However, I have one point that I&#8217;m happy to be corrected on, I never really considered Civilité as a gebrochene Schriften variation. It&#8217;s too fluid for the pen to leave the page. I&#8217;ve always thought of it as a French variation on the Italian chancery of the 16th cent., albeit pointier.<br />
The o is the key in all off the gebrochene Schriften.<br />
In the Textura it&#8217;s hexagonal, in the Rotunda it&#8217;s round, in the Bastarda it&#8217;s lemon shaped (pointy at each end) and in the Fraktur it&#8217;s flat on the left and curved on the right.<br />
Each is a two stroke character with a 45 degree angled broad nibbed pen.<br />
The Civilité has the right pen form, but is much more cursive in style than the gebrochene Schriften.<br />
And it&#8217;s o doesn&#8217;t follow suit.<br />
It&#8217;s a 16th cent. letterform, not a 10th-15th.<br />
From there it evolved independently of the English roundhand or copperplate scripts into the Gando or French Ronde styles of the 17th cent. like Typo-Upright.<br />
It&#8217;s the only question I have about an otherwise brilliant piece. I keep planning on doing something like this (writing something useful) though time rarely permits. So please don&#8217;t take this as a criticism and if I am wrong I would love to be corrected.<br />
Cheers guys! Great work!</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Zuniga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor Zuniga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 04:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, there&#039;s actually a book called Mexican Blackletter...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, there&#8217;s actually a book called Mexican Blackletter&#8230;</p>
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