Comments on: The first one’s the hardest http://ilovetypography.com/2009/03/23/the-first-ones-the-hardest/ Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:33:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Laurenhttp://ilovetypography.com/2009/03/23/the-first-ones-the-hardest/#comment-15110 Lauren Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:15:13 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/?p=4979#comment-15110 Thank you for sharing this. Thank you for sharing this.

]]> By: Igor Faletskihttp://ilovetypography.com/2009/03/23/the-first-ones-the-hardest/#comment-15067 Igor Faletski Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:59:04 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/?p=4979#comment-15067 Great article, someone should study the Moscow subways too Great article, someone should study the Moscow subways too

]]> By: Font Crush: Router « The People St. Clair Studiohttp://ilovetypography.com/2009/03/23/the-first-ones-the-hardest/#comment-15035 Font Crush: Router « The People St. Clair Studio Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:16:52 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/?p=4979#comment-15035 [...] and discovery here, more info here and [...] […] and discovery here, more info here and […]

]]> By: Type Love 42 | design work lifehttp://ilovetypography.com/2009/03/23/the-first-ones-the-hardest/#comment-15033 Type Love 42 | design work life Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:01:29 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/?p=4979#comment-15033 [...] My favorite part about Router, a newish release from village, are the graceful, smooth italics. For more information you can read an in-depth interview with Jeremy Mickel, the designer, on I Love Typography. [...] […] My favorite part about Router, a newish release from village, are the graceful, smooth italics. For more information you can read an in-depth interview with Jeremy Mickel, the designer, on I Love Typography. […]

]]> By: szabiakanichhttp://ilovetypography.com/2009/03/23/the-first-ones-the-hardest/#comment-15030 szabiakanich Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:44:58 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/?p=4979#comment-15030 I just signed up. Hello everbody. I felt the need to sign up and comment on this great font. Looks amazing. I especially love the i. Very classy looking. Also the v is one of my favorites. Great stuff. Keep up the good work. I can't even imagine how big of a task this is. I mean you described here some of the steps but I guess you spent tens if noth hundreds of hours creating this. But I guess it's a rewarding process after all. It's also really interesting to see how a font, well the different variants/weights work differently. For example in your font the n looks gorgeous in thin and extra light italic, but not necessarily in bold italic. Same goes for a lot of other fonts. I'd love to try to design a font though once. In the past few weeks/months I kinda got obsessed with type and when I'm walking on the streets all I do looking at sign and labels and posters etc. and trying to check out the typefaces used. But I guess I stop here with my babbling, it's already a huge first post. Glad to be here and I hope to contribute to this amazing community. I also made a few wallpapers that I want to submit for the wallpapers section of the site. :) Take care everybody.Szabi I just signed up. Hello everbody. I felt the need to sign up and comment on this great font. Looks amazing. I especially love the i. Very classy looking. Also the v is one of my favorites. Great stuff. Keep up the good work. I can’t even imagine how big of a task this is. I mean you described here some of the steps but I guess you spent tens if noth hundreds of hours creating this. But I guess it’s a rewarding process after all. It’s also really interesting to see how a font, well the different variants/weights work differently. For example in your font the n looks gorgeous in thin and extra light italic, but not necessarily in bold italic. Same goes for a lot of other fonts. I’d love to try to design a font though once. In the past few weeks/months I kinda got obsessed with type and when I’m walking on the streets all I do looking at sign and labels and posters etc. and trying to check out the typefaces used. But I guess I stop here with my babbling, it’s already a huge first post. Glad to be here and I hope to contribute to this amazing community. I also made a few wallpapers that I want to submit for the wallpapers section of the site. :) Take care everybody.

Szabi

]]> By: pbhjhttp://ilovetypography.com/2009/03/23/the-first-ones-the-hardest/#comment-15004 pbhj Tue, 07 Apr 2009 03:40:08 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/?p=4979#comment-15004 @Randall, I think I understand inspiration quite well. In order to create a new work the artists input must be transformative. In this case it appears the the distinctive character that created the visual appeal of the original work has been copied wholesale and formed as a substantial part of a new work. The typeface is clearly a derivative (in the copyright sense) of the original.If this face had been produced without copying then there would be no case to answer but copyright law protects artists (even if their medium is plastic and their method routing) from copying. Altering the "e" to establish a mean "e" is not transformative.As for musical analogies - consider sampling:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/pop-stars-will-have-to-credit-the-musicians-they-sample-502486.html (UK centric article but I gather Bridgeport Music, Inc. v. Dimension Films means the same sort of rules stand in the US).As for me I have no problems with such a requisition provided that profits are shared fairly. @Randall, I think I understand inspiration quite well. In order to create a new work the artists input must be transformative. In this case it appears the the distinctive character that created the visual appeal of the original work has been copied wholesale and formed as a substantial part of a new work. The typeface is clearly a derivative (in the copyright sense) of the original.

If this face had been produced without copying then there would be no case to answer but copyright law protects artists (even if their medium is plastic and their method routing) from copying. Altering the “e” to establish a mean “e” is not transformative.

As for musical analogies - consider sampling:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/pop-stars-will-have-to-credit-the-musicians-they-sample-502486.html (UK centric article but I gather Bridgeport Music, Inc. v. Dimension Films means the same sort of rules stand in the US).

As for me I have no problems with such a requisition provided that profits are shared fairly.

]]> By: Randallhttp://ilovetypography.com/2009/03/23/the-first-ones-the-hardest/#comment-15003 Randall Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:26:34 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/?p=4979#comment-15003 Thanks for the reply Jeremy. (If I may call you Jeremy.) I can imagine that it must have felt good to have multiple foundries interested in the face, and it's nice to know that the decision came down to personal rather than business reasons. Or rather, that business reasons were also personal.That comment from pbhj is pretty funny. I guess s/he doesn't understand what "inspiration" is. I think it's pretty clear that you took inspiration from the routed sign to make Router instead of actually recreating the routed sign type. By pbhj's reasoning, all rock and roll musicians should pay royalties to blues cover bands. Thanks for the reply Jeremy. (If I may call you Jeremy.) I can imagine that it must have felt good to have multiple foundries interested in the face, and it’s nice to know that the decision came down to personal rather than business reasons. Or rather, that business reasons were also personal.

That comment from pbhj is pretty funny. I guess s/he doesn’t understand what “inspiration” is. I think it’s pretty clear that you took inspiration from the routed sign to make Router instead of actually recreating the routed sign type. By pbhj’s reasoning, all rock and roll musicians should pay royalties to blues cover bands.

]]> By: Victor Chanhttp://ilovetypography.com/2009/03/23/the-first-ones-the-hardest/#comment-14980 Victor Chan Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:18:02 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/?p=4979#comment-14980 As an admirer of the process, thanks for sharing your own personal insights and experience. The devil's in the details but I love reading all about them. As an admirer of the process, thanks for sharing your own personal insights and experience. The devil’s in the details but I love reading all about them.

]]> By: pbhjhttp://ilovetypography.com/2009/03/23/the-first-ones-the-hardest/#comment-14950 pbhj Sun, 05 Apr 2009 01:03:45 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/?p=4979#comment-14950 You missed the part where you contacted the sign-maker to ask if you could use his copyright font to make your "router" font.Unless you got permission you're infringing that guys copyright by copying the essential elements of his design, moreover you're on double-jeopardy as you're selling the infringing work ... it's not just designers that are protected from copyright infringement anyone that creates a work with distinctive character is protected by international copyright (and many people that don't!). You missed the part where you contacted the sign-maker to ask if you could use his copyright font to make your “router” font.

Unless you got permission you’re infringing that guys copyright by copying the essential elements of his design, moreover you’re on double-jeopardy as you’re selling the infringing work … it’s not just designers that are protected from copyright infringement anyone that creates a work with distinctive character is protected by international copyright (and many people that don’t!).

]]> By: Garohttp://ilovetypography.com/2009/03/23/the-first-ones-the-hardest/#comment-14946 Garo Sat, 04 Apr 2009 10:14:02 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/?p=4979#comment-14946 Great article! Just starting out on making my first typeface and have found Karen Cheng's book 'Designing Type' invaluable. Great article! Just starting out on making my first typeface and have found Karen Cheng’s book ‘Designing Type’ invaluable.

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