I Love Typography

Sunday Type: x-rated type!

Madame Loves Typography Too

Welcome to 2007’s penultimate Sunday Type. Can you believe that 2008 is almost upon us? I remember, as a child, dreaming about the magical year 2000. Well, that’s quite enough reminiscing; don’t want to short out my keyboard with sentimental tears. I had so much material for today’s Sunday Type that I was going to save some of it for next week’s; but that might smack of mean-spiritedness, and it’s Christmas (almost), so you get it all.

Do you like Madame? No, not that Madame! Linotype’s Madame. She’s had a facelift of sorts: she is now available in the OpenType font format, which will be a relief for many—it should making using her much easier.


Thanks to Dan at TypeOff for the link, the byline and for creating the header. Sadly I don’t have Madame (yet). Be sure to subscribe to Dan’s blog—it’s really shaping into a good resource and a great read. After the success of Dan’s Counterpunch review, you’ll probably be seeing some more of him here.

Thinking about next year: I’m always looking at ways to improve iLT. One of the things I was intent on doing was having contributors; I’ve already had some great ones, and there are many more to come; if you’re interested in writing for iLT, then let me know.

The FontWall is not much more than an idea right now. The lists of monthly ‘fonts’ is growing, so I wanted a place to ‘archive them’, so the FontWall was born; I have a few ideas for it; perhaps you have some ideas of your own? I promise to at least tidy it up!


Perhaps another title to add to your Christmas shopping list is Foyle’s Philavery—a treasury of unusual words; it’s not a type title, but it is rather pretty; and word lovers and wordsmiths will love it. I like the cover. The paper quality is a little poor but, for the price (and content), it’s worth it. The only thing that bugs me about the cover is that rather ‘isolated’ apostrophe. Anyway, the flowers are pretty ;)


I promised myself that I wouldn’t buy any fonts this month. I failed again and bought Feijoa Display; I’ll add the other weights later; that’s always something to keep in mind: that one can buy these great typefaces piecemeal. So, for me, I just wanted to set the header of the interview with Kris Sowersby in Feijoa, and that’s why I opted for the display weight only; later I can buy the other weights and use it for setting texts or whatever.


Isn’t she gorgeous.

If you remember back as far as 15 Excellent Examples of Web Typography, you may also remember that FontShop’s site was in the list. Well, I guess their web designer had some spare time on his hands and thought, how can I make it better?

Sporting more than just a shiny new exterior, the new FontShop.com boasts some solid improvements under the hood, too. Our Font Detail pages have always been the place to get the nitty-gritty on every font in the shop, but the new advanced Character Set viewer lets you see every glyph of every font so you can get even more nitty and gritty.

And the result is great. I wonder if he’ll redesign iLT? That reminds me: if there’s anything that really bugs you about this site (I’m thinking about the design, not me), then let me know.


I just had to include this little story: Kelly Patrick Robinson, an iLT reader from San Diego left this message on my FaceBook profile,

Last night, I found myself in a coffee bar, and my mate asked me to explain a bit about typography. Luckily, there was a newspaper handy, and with the help of an iPhone, the conversation eventually visited iLoveTypography. The site itself became a visual aid.

Made my day.


A few gorgeous new desktop wallpapers (these two designed by Zachary):



She won 700 Penguins!

I said I’d give a copy of 700 Penguins to someone whose question is used for the interview with Kris Sowersby. In fact, I’ve chosen several readers’ questions, so several names went into the hat, and out came Lauren Marie’s. Congratulations, Lauren.

Hoefler & Frere-Jones

If you haven’t heard of H&FJ, then…well, you should have. Not only do they produce some of the most beautiful types on the planet, but they’ve also been running a great Typographic Gifts for Designers Series; I’ve mentioned some of them here before. If you forget how to spell their names, never fear, because they have the best domain name on the Web—typography.com. You’ll find links to all the featured gifts in the left-hand column of the H&FJ web site.


And here’s a taste of some H&FJ love,


I think I need to take a cold shower now! Positively x-rated.

The Sarabande Press

For twenty-odd years, the Sarabande Press has been producing beautiful letterpress limited editions. In that time they’ve designed and typeset over a thousand different books, from novels to scholarly books for major museums, and just about everything in between. I like that they have some short videos showcasing some of their work (perhaps I could do something similar when reviewing books here on iLT). I only wish that those videos were a little larger. Be sure to watch the Beinecke Peep Show video too.


Thanks to Ilisha for the link.

Coming Up

I’d like to thank those who have contributed financially to iLT. We’ve hit the $30 mark. Once the six-part Type Terms is finished, I will rewrite all the articles and publish the entire series in a single PDF file to download (should be around 30 or 40 pages). When writing those articles, I only publish a fraction of what I write in my notebooks (or you’d be scrolling down to Hades), so the PDF will be a much extended version. To support iLT overheads, I might charge for the PDF (a couple of dollars, perhaps).

Face to Face, a new feature on iLT where I interview type-people I like. First on Face to Face is the wonderfully talented, Kris Sowersby—I’ll publish the interview on Wednesday; I think you’re going to like it—a lot! I’ve almost finished writing the third part in the Type Terms series, Transitional. These take quite a while to research, so I’ll most likely publish it around Christmas. Can anyone think of something more original than Face to Face?

And finally…

Since starting iLT, I’ve received hundreds and hundreds of messages from readers—everything from “can you name this typeface for me?” to “can you give me some fonts?” to “are you single?” (that one went into the sympathy pile); but this one has to be the strangest:

Hi there.

I’m thinking of getting a tattoo. I realise making a permanent mark on one’s body is a big decision, and one that I’ll have to live with for many years. I want the word ‘truth’ tattooed on the inside of my wrist and I need to choose a font for it. Being the type guy, I thought that you or your readers might have some wise input. I’ve explored various options, and so far I’m leaning towards using Baskerville for its classic look (the mark still has to look good 30 years into the future…)
Sorry to bug you directly, but I’m not sure how else to go about contacting ILT.
Many thanks in advance!

Anonymous Roger Gordon.


Have a great Sunday, folks.

  1. Amit

    You should at least create your own font for that matter..

  2. Amit
    It’s in the works, though don’t hold your breath. If I spent more time on that, then I’d have less time for this :)

    Having said that, I certainly don’t feel obliged to create one; I am not a type designer.

  3. OK, someone needs to educate me. Is it a “type” or a “font”? Perhaps I missed an earlier article…

  4. This might be a good time to review Ina Saltz’s Body Type book…or I can give it a go if it appears under the Giftmas Tree.


    Roger–I’ll quote one of my professors:

    “A typeface is a collection of letters, numbers, and symbols that have been designed for stylistic unity and legibility. A font is a specific size, or style (such as italic or roman) of a typeface. Some consider them to be interchangeable terms now that so much of a designer’s job can be done on a computer. In this studio, the terms are not interchangeable. This is one of the mistakes that makes me think about cutting off fingers as a way to force people to stop thinking and designing with a computer.”


  5. I love the font wall! I suppose (if you’re looking for another project) you could throw in some fancy javascript or flash, but then sometimes simple is better. Oh, and I know it’s verboten to use tables for layout these days, but, actually, since the font wall really is a table, you certainly could go that way, to help with alignment and spacing.

    Requiem is beautiful. I’ve been trying to convince myself to buy it for a couple of months now. Ah, so many good things to buy, so little money!

  6. Blue

    God ! I love the Katakana font ( in the book next to Foyle’s Philavery). So stylish !
    Uhm….I want to ask this question. I know it silly but…still want to ask
    “What is the different between ‘type’ and ‘font’ ?”

  7. When thinking about charging for the pdf, please consider some other payment option than paypal. I don’t have a paypal account and i’m not planning on getting one due to their terms of usage.

  8. Thanks for publishing my tattoo help request, John.
    For anyone interested, here’s what I’ve come up with so far:

    Larger version

    I’m torn between these two, but think going for option A would be smarter in the long run. However, option A might be too light and thin to show up on the skin properly, so a darker serif face might be needed. Has anyone had experience with fonts and tattoos before?

    Thanks for the explanation. So, using the beautiful example above, Requiem would be a typeface, and Requiem Fine Roman would be a font, right?

    The new fontshop.com site is absolutely beautiful. It’s nice that it’s coded well, too.

    Also, thanks to your site, I just purchased my first type book from Amazon a few days ago. It’s Ellen Lupton’s Thinking With Type. I can’t wait until it arrives!

  9. @Roger Gordon:

    I’ll be honest— option B seems like it’s already getting a little dated. It is a cute font and if it has meaning to you go for it, but option A does seem classier (important when a tattoo is in such a public area as your wrist).

    Have you talked to your tattoo artist about it yet? I bet they’ve got tons of experience in that realm as well. :-)

    (If it were me I’d use Georgia, but I’ve been in love with that font for years… Baskerville looks mighty fine, of course.)

  10. Roger
    Here are some more you might like to consider:

    Great link. Thanks.

    Good idea about using a table; I guess it might also help to set them all in the same size…(though we all know that same point size, doesn’t mean same size…thinking…). I also have something much bigger and much more interesting than the FontWall coming next year! Should be a nice addition to iLT.

    Yes, I love it too; in fact this is a beautiful book. The name of that font escapes me. I’ll check and get back to you.

    I’ll definitely consider that—if I even charge for them, that is.

  11. For those of you a little confused by the definitions of ‘typeface’ and ‘font’ see these Typophile nodes:


    And this one

    Er…what is a font?

    Perhaps Thomas Phinney’s explanation is the easiest to grasp:
    …distinction between typeface and fonts

    Much of the confusion has arisen since the introduction of digital fonts; the definition has been expanded.

    Basically a font is:
    the cookie cutter

    Basically a typeface is:
    the cookie

    This analogy is from James Felici’s The Complete Manual of Typography.

    If you are still confused, or ever in doubt, then the more generic term ‘type’ is good.
    Perhaps it’s worth devoting a whole article to this?

  12. Roger: My choice for the tattoo would be A, since like you say it’s more classical looking, and more likely to be stylish for longer into the future. But ultimately, you have to go with your own style, what you like best. If I were getting a tattoo with a typeface, I’d probably go with Feijoa! I think I’m in love with that.

    John: MM! I love the header for this post. Also, I finally broke down and chose a wallpaper for myself, and it was one of Zachary’s. It makes me so happy every time I see it! I love that his designs use the old printing slugs (is that the right term?), as using ink and stamps in art projects is what first made me realize how much I love type and all things related to it.

    Also, I’m really looking forward to the interview with Sowersby, and huzzah to Lauren for winning “700 Penguins”!!

    Also, those Requiem Fine Italic Ligatures? Yeah, I think I need a cold shower myself. It should be illegal to be so gorgeous!

    I guess my only quibble with the page design (since you asked) is the size of the indented quotes. I wish the point size was a little larger, it’s a little small at the moment. But that’s my opinion, and it may not be the majority.

    And yeah, I’d love to see a whole article about the difference between type and font. I’m also looking forward to all the stuff you have planned for 2008 (and I can’t believe we’re already 8 years past 2000, either!).

  13. Blue

    Thank you so much John ! :( You know I feel stupid to ask that question but I’m glad that I asked. Thank for all the links too !
    Really appreciated all your feedback !
    Love the Cookie example ! I’m just a typokiddy :(

    Also, hope I can find that book in Kinokuniya. Next year, I has a subject in publication design ! Just wanna share that :)

  14. Leah

    They can be called pieces of metal type or just plain old type; also referred to as blocks.
    Slug usually refers to the pieces used for spacing. Interestingly for the old Linotype machine, a slug also refers to an entire line of of cast type; and that is of course where the name comes from: Line O’ Type.

    I wonder if anyone else finds those ‘pull-quotes’ a little small. Let me know.

    You never need feel embarrassed to ask a question here.
    You can find the book at SkyFish Graphix. Beautifully illustrated too.

  15. @EFFIKA:
    Honesty is exactly what I’m after! I suppose B is getting a little dated, hence my reservations. Thanks for making my decision a bit easier. I have chatted to the artist briefly about it, but I guess I should go into the shop and discuss options with him this week. Funny you mentioned Georgia - that font was sort of what got me interested in typography. I remember seeing some “web 2.0” style sites using serif fonts like Georgia for headings and thinking “Wow, that looks really stylish”. I think I like the history behind Baskerville and it’s subdued classy look (Yes, I’ve been doing my homework !).

    Thanks for taking the time to put those together. FF Meta Serif Book is my favourite of the bunch, but I really don’t like the curved top of the lowercase “t” glyph (is that the right term, I wonder?). Caslon is a nice looking font too, but it’s the “t” that bothers me again. It seems that the top bit (I know there’s got to be a better word for that) is too short, although I like the serifs and the ratio between the thick and thin strokes.

    Regarding the difference between a font and a typeface, I visited the articles you posted links to and found this explanation from Mark Simonson in the comment section of the third link (Er…what is a font?) to be very helpful:

    You’ve got a collection of letters, numbers, symbols, etc. that can be used together to form words, paragraphs, tables, etc.

    The physical embodiment of such a collection (whether it’s a case of metal pieces or a computer file) is a font.

    When referring to the design of the collection (the way it looks) you call it a typeface.

    A typeface family or font family refers to a related collection of typefaces or fonts.

    Weight refers to the thickness of the strokes that make up the letters, numbers, etc. of the typeface (light, bold, etc.).

    Style refers to a distinct design variations within a typeface family (italic, condensed, etc.).

    I think I finally get it now.

    Thanks for drawing my attention to Feijoa. I hadn’t paid much attention to it when John mentioned it above, but looking at it closely, it really is a very beautiful, classic and modern font. I think this is a serious contender now!

  16. Gordon
    Yes ‘glyph’ is OK, though plain old “t” will do just fine.
    That ‘bit at the top’ is fine too, though I generally say ‘tip of the t’ (the part above the crossbar).

    I think Feijoa would look perfect too. I wonder what its designer Kris Sowersby would make of that? There are of course other weights for Feijoa (and not at all expensive); you can see them by clicking the image in the post.

    And, as you mention Mark Simonson, why not one of his faces, like Kandal.

  17. Johno,

    It sounds a little cheesy, but what about Type Faces instead of Face to face? Just a thought.

    And for the Font Wall (which I think is really good), wouldn’t it be best to have the text be black on white, since that would give people a better approximation of what the typeface would look like if they were to use it? I personally find that white text on white looks different than white on black.

    GREAT site by the way. :-)

  18. emily

    A somewhat random inquiry -
    I was wondering if you’d happen to know where I could purchase a metal serif “fi” ligature punch. I’ve tried looking through ebay, but to no avail…the closest I can seem to come would be buying an entire set of a typeface.


  19. Yay!! I finally win! What a lovely Christmas present :D Thanks, John.

    Aw, congratulations on being the proud daddy owner of Fejioa Display. She is very beautiful! Definitely looking forward to that interview with Kris. And I like the name Face to Face. It has clever nod to typography. If you’re not terribly happy with the name, try a variation like Face Off or About Face or maybe it’s an acronym: Fantastic ABC Creator Explorations. Eh, that’s kinda silly.

    Oooooo, *swoon* I love those letterpress wallpapers. Hehehe, it’s a good thing Zachary flipped around the photos, or we’d have a more difficult time reading them. But then maybe that would make us study the letterforms more. Hmm…

  20. Nour
    Actually I quite like Type Faces. Thanks. You might have a point on the white on black, though it is just aimed to give a quick impression; I’m thinking about using a `thickbox’—one of those full screen popup things, that shows a sample; however, I could only realistically do that for the fonts I have. I’ll have to give it some more thought.

    Do you mean a punch or a piece of metal type like this:

    You could try britishletterpress.co.uk.

    Thanks for the suggestions. I’ll either stick with Face to Face or go with Nour’s Type Face suggestion. Yes, Zachary’s wallpapers are gorgeous. Did you notice that he didn’t flip the ‘iLT’ one? I’m hoping that he’ll create some more. I also love Hamish’s Scrabble and Helvetica paper.

  21. bkawalec

    Great wallpapers. I loved previous ones but these are even better. I’ll download one when I finally make up my mind which to choose :)

  22. TypoJunkie


    A friend asked me to design a tattoo for her and I did it in Poetica. I found it leaves a lot of room for variations of letters and is great fun to design with. It also had some historic references (she was in love with an Italian guy and loved the Renaissance, where Poetica is inspired by). Maybe you can draw on your experiences to choose a typeface? Or maybe think about what “Truth” means to you and go from there? Have you thought about Blackletter? (A bit trendy, but you might like it). Or maybe even Requiem? I LOVED IT! Need to save some money…

  23. Mmmmm…. love that new Madame.

    Amazing job on the wallpapers.

    Visa is in, they are “investigating”. Haha.
    PS - Your like to H&FJ’s site is “http://www.ilovetypography.com/typography.com”

    Man, I haven’t even had time to get into discussions on here for the past few weeks. Looks like I need to set aside some “iLT” time.

  24. TypoJunkie


    How about making a “Periodic Type Table”? So you’d arrange them from left to right according to the number of weights and from top to bottom according to their serifs? (Maybe not serifs, but some other category?)

    Just a thought, not sure how easy it would be, but it would be cool to navigate.

  25. bkawalec
    Let me know which one you go for :)

    Fingers crossed. Thanks for pointing out that dud link; fixed now.
    ‘iLT time’—I like the sound of that.

    That’s a pretty good idea. They could be arranged by some classification or other—even if it’s just the basic serif, sanserif, slab serif, script; or something like that. I like the periodic table concept…periodic type, the type table…. You’ve got me thinking now :)

  26. TypoJunkie
    That’s brilliant!

  27. hey Gordon,

    Check out the script swashes on this website-> http://www.dstype.com

  28. Hi Roger,

    While you’re debating the theoretical aspects of words on skin, I encourage you to look at some actual examples too. These are on Flickr and some are quite beautiful in unexpected ways:


    and here:




  29. @Roger,

    Both my arms are covered in tattoos, so I’ve got a bit of experience with the ink on skin thing. And I can honestly tell you no artist will ever be able to replicate any typeface unless you’re doing it really large - like, across your back or something. The serifs in the faces above will never, ever work in ink at the size you’re looking for. Really.

    Remember also that tattoos age - the lines thicken and expand with time, and the image will soften. That’s why most tattoo lettering is in script - a script will age gracefully, while a roman bookface may not.

    You should take a few sample faces that you like to an artist you trust and talk it out, keeping in mind that typefaces were designed with lead and paper in mind, while you’re working with a needle and skin. Different mediums lend themselves to different techniques.

  30. Re. the periodic table of fonts, it’s surprisingly hard to come up with the right categories and the proper placement of those categories. Here’s what I came up with an hour of messing around:

    Full Size

  31. Another great Sunday Type Johno. First off I really love the font wall idea. I knew you were going to do something like that sooner or later. I love the layout of it but I think it needs a lil punch. Maybe the header in some flash animation with the red flower spinning or something ha ha I dunno. I’d be happy to do it if you liked that idea.

    The book Foyle’s Philavery looks rather interesting but what really sparked my interest was the little print of the man with yellow bird on his hat. I love that! I love collecting little things like that, where did you get it? :)

    You shouldn’t feel bad that you bought another font, Feijoa is an amazing typeface. It’s my favorite as of right now, gorgeous indeed.

    I can’t wait to have that downloadable PDF of your type terms. Like I told you before a few of my type instructors have really took a shine to this site and its content. I know the will be happy with a PDF of terms so they can share the knowledge with the rest of the students.

    Roger: I also have be wanting to get a “type tattoo” but I’m having a very hard time in deciding what I want to get and what I want it to say. But for me I think the most difficult decision will be deciding on a typeface. I like the Baskerville but I would also consider some of John’s picks as well. :)

    :) Good Stuff!

  32. TypoJunkie

    I love how you abbreviated the names (had not thought of that)!!! And it’s looking pretty good for just one hour of work.

    Yeah, I guess the categories need to be REALLY well thought out, otherwise there’s no sense.

    Great insight! And I’m sure Roger will appreciate it.

  33. Mandy: I will keep that in mind when I get my type tattoo, thanks! But that sparks an idea. Someone should design a series of “body typefaces”. Typefaces that will look just as good 10 years down the road. I wonder if this could be achieved.

  34. Robert: Maybe, though everyone’s skin ages differently, so it’s an unpredictable process. That’s part of the beauty of it, I think: as you age, so does your tattoo. It becomes a part of you in a way that no other art can.

  35. Wow, there is such a wide and varied discussion of topics going on here (hmm, much like the post above). It’s interesting to see what sparks comments from different people!

    Johno, I really like Nour’s idea. Why didn’t I think of that (or just read the comment 2 above mine). It’s brilliant! I vote for that one. Mine were kinda silly :P And I didn’t realize Zachary had created more than those two wallpapers you shared above. Oooo, now I have to choose one?? How impossible!

    Alec, ha! That Periodic Type Table is coming along great! I like the idea! And don’t discount yourself. I never let people tell me “Go play around with it a bit…” I always tell them I work. This is my job. Even though you did this as a personal interest, you’re not “messing around.” Sorry to go off on that minute point, but it’s a pet peeve ;) Can you tell? haha

    Cody, oh how I know what you mean about setting aside some iLT time. Me, too. I’m glad John hasn’t been posting so fast that I can’t keep up, though, at least in my reader… I only wish I had time to join in the conversations more!

  36. Pedro
    Thanks for the link.

    Of course! There had to be a Flickr set. I’m off to take a look myself. Thanks. After all this talk of type tattoos, I’m tempted myself—a kind of FontWall on my back perhaps…

    That reads like sound advice. Do you have any type tattoos among yours?

    Your interpretation of TypoJunkie’s idea is inspired; at this rate I’ll have to rename it to the TypoJunkie-Julien Wall or even the Wall of Sinn;) . I think that’s a great way to divide them up.

    Sounds fun. Brings to mind the FontBook site. I’m usually no fan of Flash, but here is an instance where it could add a little something. By all means spin the flower. If you don’t have Meta Serif, then I can send you that header in outline.

    It is interesting, isn’t it. I wondered how Roger’s challenge would go down. I never knew that about the tattoos thickening with time—quite an education.

    I’m sometimes tempted to post more than twice a week, but two feels about right. I’m itching to publish the Kris Sowersby interview; however, I’ll wait until Wednesday. Oddly enough Amazon US don’t stock 700 Penguins, so I’ll either send from Amazon UK (looks as though they’re the only one to stock it), or I’ll send you my own copy, signed of course.

    ps: only kidding about signing it.

  37. Johno: nope, only images. Much as I love both tattoos and typography, I’ve never coveted words on my skin. My tattoos are traditional japanese work.

  38. Mandy
    Thanks. Well, I guess I’m living in the right place if I’m thinking about having a tattoo.

  39. Johno
    We definitely are in the right place. The work here is just amazing. I’m going to get my first piece done early next year. I’m thinking about keeping it on my upper hip (then I can hide it with the towel when I go to onsen =P). I have actually talked about getting type on my body, but I decided to go with script for the reasons above. Although, most of my work is going to be Japanese, a mix of modern and traditional art styles, but I’m staying away from 浮世絵 (うきよえ).

  40. Johno, No! I want you to sign it if you send it. You might be famous someday and I’d be kicking myself if I didn’t insist :D

  41. Johno: Yeah I didn’t think you were a big fan of flash, it was just a thought. But yeah go ahead and send me the outinles with the flower to my email whenever you get a chance.

  42. Wow I didn’t have enough time to read everyone’s comments above.

    Johno: How about “Character Set” for the interviews?

    Roger: What about the font Feel Script by Alejandro Paul? I think scripts just look so beautiful on skin. Something like this:

    I’ve been wanting to add to my skin art with some script but can’t decide on what words to use as of yet.

  43. Diane: “Character Set”, I like that. I also like “Type Faces”, that works too.

    Lauren: I know how hard it is to choose the right wallpaper, :) but I guess the positive side is that A) they’re free, and B) we can change them whenever we feel like it!

    Johno: Thanks for the explanation on metal type terminology. Perhaps that would make an interesting post topic, one day? I know I would certainly love to read about the history of it, from your point of view. And, I had an “Ah-hah” moment when you explained “Linotype” as Line o’ type. Thanks!

    Roger Gordon: You know that whatever you end up going with, for your tattoo, you’re going to have to update the iLT community! :) I’m looking forward to seeing what you and your artist come up with, down the road.

  44. Leah
    Every time I see you here, I can’t help but think of you as Leah the delurked.

    The whole letterpress and metal type thing would make an interesting post. However, I’m no expert in that area. I’ve asked a couple of people to rite on the topic, but no-one (even those involved in letterpress—seems very interested, so I guess it is down to me to write something. I’d love to do something on the Monotype and Linotype machines too, though I’ve never used them. OK, so now it’s in my list of articles to write; will probably be next year as I have my writing schedule (that makes me sound more organised that I really am) fixed for the next month.

    I think Type Faces it is. Thanks to Nour!

  45. Aw shucks, I’m glad everyone liked my suggestion! Really enjoying this discussion, and the site!

  46. Johno:
    Leah the delurked… That makes me sound vaguely creepy, but it’s also quite funny that it’s linked to me in your mind! I’m glad the word made such an impact on you. :)

    Also, I’m looking forward to your article on metal type. I realize you’re not an expert on it, and I suppose if I wanted an expert’s view, I’d go looking for a book all about it. (Not a bad idea… perhaps I’ll add that to the growing “Library List”.) But what I like about your articles is your perspective, and the way you’re able to make a subject both clear to a neophyte, and interesting to a connoisseur. As the busy comments make clear, it’s good reading! :)

    And just so it doesn’t seem like I’m kissing arse, I’ll stop the compliments… now.

  47. Nour
    Your fame shall spread throughout the land.

    5-minute concept. Problem is, it could be mistaken for a ‘Happy Toilets’ sign…

    Not creepy at all :) Thanks for your continued contributions and kind words. It’s the contributors that make a site.

  48. I’m just glad I was able to contribute.

    Hope you don’t mind, but I took your logo concept and did a few of variations. I like the concept, but you’re right about the ‘Happy Toilets’ thing. :) so I just simplified it. Here’s what I came up with:

  49. Nour
    Seems as though you’re not the only one who has problems embedding images; I need to take a look at that. Could you mail them to me?
    jboardley (({{aT}})) gmail dot/com

  50. sallyyi

    Wow I didn’t visit a long time. It changed a lot!! I need to catchup!!!

  51. Thank you everyone for your generous and helpful input. I really appreciate it. Sorry for the delay in replying to you all.

    Thanks for the Poetica font suggestion. It’s certainly a beautiful font, but I think it will be a little too flashy for me. I’m getting a tattoo as a personal reminder, and I don’t really care if nobody sees it. For something that might be hidden and that I will likely see every day, I need a classic and unobtrusive font. I realise my approach is a little different to most. Thanks again for your help!

    The script version of Andrade Pro is fantastic! Thanks for pointing it out. It is an elegant and classic font, one which I’ll consider. Thanks for you help.

    Thanks for those two very useful links. Both groups had some great inspiration and I’ve even added some new contacts to my profile. I’m tending towards a simple, open font so that when fading and thickening of the lines occur, the font will still be legible.

    Your advice was exactly what I was looking for, so thank you. I’ll have to reconsider my approach now. Looking at the flickr links Thomas sent me confirms what you have said. Back to the drawing board for me! My tattoo will be done by a friend who I trust, and I’ll go in to the shop in early January and chat with him. Thank you.
    Also, I guess the ageing process that a tattoo undergoes can be positive. I’ve never thought about it in that way.

    I’m glad someone else is benefiting from my request for help! I don’t feel so bad hogging this comment space now. I think a specially designed ‘tattoo’ typeface would be a great idea!

    I just found this very interesting article on type and tattoos.

    @Diane Zerr
    I like Feel Script for its unique playful look, but it’s just not my style, I’m afraid. I think it would look great as a tattoo, but for something personal that I’m going to see everyday, I would definitely prefer something more plain. Thank you for the suggestion though. I’d encourage anyone considering a type tattoo to check out Feel Script as I think it is a very suitable tattoo face.

    I most certainly will update you all once I’ve got it! I must warn you though, that it’s probably going to be rather disappointing to look at. I’m going for classic and plain so that I won’t tire of it too quickly.

    Wow, what a long comment!

  52. zachary

    Well, I’m a little late to the discussion. Had to go out of town for a few days and I come back to all this great stuff.

    Madame is very nice. I love the OpenType options in it.

    I agree with Nour on having black type on white for the Font Wall, but some kind of periodic table is also a great idea.

    I’m glad people liked the wallpapers. I was hoping maybe someone with better resources might be inspired to do some more. I don’t have a press or anything. I just got a few fonts because they are so beautiful to look at and touch. The wallpapers are using 12pt Goudy Old Style and 14pt Engravers Old English. Maybe that gives you an idea of how macro the photos are. I really want some punches, but those are a little harder to come by. I would love to do more pictures when I have time. Any requests? Now I just need metal versions of FF Meta Serif and Feijoa and I’ll be set.

  53. zachary
    Would be great to see some more of those wallpapers—really impressive.

    Now I just need metal versions of FF Meta Serif and Feijoa and I’ll be set.

    Sure I’ve got them in the garage somewhere ;)

  54. Thank you so much John ! :( You know I feel stupid to ask that question but I’m glad that I asked. Thank for all the links too !
    Really appreciated all your feedback !
    Love the Cookie example ! I’m just a typokiddy :(

    Also, hope I can find that book in Kinokuniya. Next year, I has a subject in publication design ! Just wanna share that :)

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