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		<title>By: sinema</title>
		<link>http://ilovetypography.com/2007/12/08/logo-font-and-lettering-bible/#comment-6465</link>
		<dc:creator>sinema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 09:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The design of it looks beautiful. Thanks for the sharing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The design of it looks beautiful. Thanks for the sharing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://ilovetypography.com/2007/12/08/logo-font-and-lettering-bible/#comment-2580</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Err… &quot;Furthermore, where I was studying, we had…&quot; not &quot;Furthermore, I were I was studying, we had…&quot; sorry :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Err… &#8220;Furthermore, where I was studying, we had…&#8221; not &#8220;Furthermore, I were I was studying, we had…&#8221; sorry :(</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Justin&lt;/strong&gt;
&gt;&lt;/em&gt;One thing that would be nice to have along with our CS3 bundle: FontLab (or one of the other two big font creation apps). Sigh. A boy can dream.&lt;/em&gt;

A student license for FontLab Studio 5 is just $250, right? And a student license for TypeTool is just $99… even cheaper. Way cheaper than a lot of the other hardware/software we tend to buy…

&lt;strong&gt;Cody&lt;/strong&gt;
I&#039;m afraid I can&#039;t go along with the idea of software pre-requisites for undergrad design programs :(

I knew PageMaker, some Quark and some Photoshop before I went to design school in the late 90s, but it didn&#039;t really put me at any advantage over the students who had less exposure. Furthermore, I were I was studying, we had painting majors who before they started, had never painted! But they had one thing… they had drive. That&#039;s what really matters. The night before a big deadline&#039;ll teach you whatever software skills you don&#039;t know, as long as you are driven enough. This was my experience, at least…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Justin</strong><br />
&gt;One thing that would be nice to have along with our CS3 bundle: FontLab (or one of the other two big font creation apps). Sigh. A boy can dream.</p>
<p>A student license for FontLab Studio 5 is just $250, right? And a student license for TypeTool is just $99… even cheaper. Way cheaper than a lot of the other hardware/software we tend to buy…</p>
<p><strong>Cody</strong><br />
I&#8217;m afraid I can&#8217;t go along with the idea of software pre-requisites for undergrad design programs :(</p>
<p>I knew PageMaker, some Quark and some Photoshop before I went to design school in the late 90s, but it didn&#8217;t really put me at any advantage over the students who had less exposure. Furthermore, I were I was studying, we had painting majors who before they started, had never painted! But they had one thing… they had drive. That&#8217;s what really matters. The night before a big deadline&#8217;ll teach you whatever software skills you don&#8217;t know, as long as you are driven enough. This was my experience, at least…</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://ilovetypography.com/2007/12/08/logo-font-and-lettering-bible/#comment-2563</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cody:
&quot;One think I think that the design programs (graphic more specifically) should have is a prerequisite of knowing the basics of the programs you will be working with. I had some people in my class that NEVER opened an Adobe program before entering school. Totally wrong.&quot;

I agree, actually–after rereading what I posted, I find that I didn&#039;t quite express my full train of thought . I wish my freshman year had been about the basics of typography, layout, etc, and the software, that we&#039;re getting now in our sophomore year. As it&#039;s set up now, it&#039;s certainly not bad. I can&#039;t help but feel like it would have been to everyone&#039;s advantage if the program were set up differently–at the very least making sure all freshman are given some level of familiarity across Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Flash, Dreamweaver, &amp; even AutoCAD before we&#039;re separated into the different programs. 

I was fine with PS and fumbling with Illy before my first year started, and now can say I&#039;m competent across the first three...and now that I&#039;m on Giftmas Break, I&#039;ll be trying to get some basic Flash/Dreamweaver skills before I get back into studio.

One thing that would be nice to have along with our CS3 bundle: FontLab (or one of the other two big font creation apps). Sigh.  A boy can dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cody:<br />
&#8220;One think I think that the design programs (graphic more specifically) should have is a prerequisite of knowing the basics of the programs you will be working with. I had some people in my class that NEVER opened an Adobe program before entering school. Totally wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree, actually–after rereading what I posted, I find that I didn&#8217;t quite express my full train of thought . I wish my freshman year had been about the basics of typography, layout, etc, and the software, that we&#8217;re getting now in our sophomore year. As it&#8217;s set up now, it&#8217;s certainly not bad. I can&#8217;t help but feel like it would have been to everyone&#8217;s advantage if the program were set up differently–at the very least making sure all freshman are given some level of familiarity across Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Flash, Dreamweaver, &amp; even AutoCAD before we&#8217;re separated into the different programs. </p>
<p>I was fine with PS and fumbling with Illy before my first year started, and now can say I&#8217;m competent across the first three&#8230;and now that I&#8217;m on Giftmas Break, I&#8217;ll be trying to get some basic Flash/Dreamweaver skills before I get back into studio.</p>
<p>One thing that would be nice to have along with our CS3 bundle: FontLab (or one of the other two big font creation apps). Sigh.  A boy can dream.</p>
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		<title>By: Cody</title>
		<link>http://ilovetypography.com/2007/12/08/logo-font-and-lettering-bible/#comment-2562</link>
		<dc:creator>Cody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin
Yes, the school topic is a huge issue with the industry right now I think. Personally, I can&#039;t agree with you on the portfolio screening because some of the students I went to school with went from absolute nothing to a more than average designer by the time they were finished school. One think I think that the design programs (graphic more specifically) should have is a prerequisite of knowing the basics of the programs you will be working with. I had some people in my class that NEVER opened an Adobe program before entering school. Totally wrong. 

Typejunkie
&lt;strong&gt;A little messy and playful, qualities I don’t particularly associate with good typography. &lt;/strong&gt;
There has to be a method to the madness of playful and busy type. Otherwise it just looks all over the place and unorganized. Really great post, I completely agree.

Johno
I think I just think like John D. Berry. I have done exactly the same thing many many times. Looks like I will have to check his blog out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin<br />
Yes, the school topic is a huge issue with the industry right now I think. Personally, I can&#8217;t agree with you on the portfolio screening because some of the students I went to school with went from absolute nothing to a more than average designer by the time they were finished school. One think I think that the design programs (graphic more specifically) should have is a prerequisite of knowing the basics of the programs you will be working with. I had some people in my class that NEVER opened an Adobe program before entering school. Totally wrong. </p>
<p>Typejunkie<br />
<strong>A little messy and playful, qualities I don’t particularly associate with good typography. </strong><br />
There has to be a method to the madness of playful and busy type. Otherwise it just looks all over the place and unorganized. Really great post, I completely agree.</p>
<p>Johno<br />
I think I just think like John D. Berry. I have done exactly the same thing many many times. Looks like I will have to check his blog out.</p>
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		<title>By: johno (iLT)</title>
		<link>http://ilovetypography.com/2007/12/08/logo-font-and-lettering-bible/#comment-2534</link>
		<dc:creator>johno (iLT)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought this from &lt;a href=&quot;http://johndberry.com/blog/?p=60&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;John D Berry, typographer&quot;&gt;John D Berry&#039;s blog&lt;/a&gt; was interesting (in light of some of the comments above):
&lt;blockquote class=&quot;tinyq&quot;&gt;Browsing through a local bookstore yesterday, I kept picking up interesting-looking new books and opening them, only to put them down again when I saw the inside typography. An uninviting text page can put off any reader; it’s just that as a typographer and a book designer, I can tell exactly what it is that puts me off.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;TypoJunkie&lt;/strong&gt;
Why the intended move back to packaging?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought this from <a href="http://johndberry.com/blog/?p=60" target="_blank" title="John D Berry, typographer">John D Berry&#8217;s blog</a> was interesting (in light of some of the comments above):</p>
<blockquote class="tinyq"><p>Browsing through a local bookstore yesterday, I kept picking up interesting-looking new books and opening them, only to put them down again when I saw the inside typography. An uninviting text page can put off any reader; it’s just that as a typographer and a book designer, I can tell exactly what it is that puts me off.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>TypoJunkie</strong><br />
Why the intended move back to packaging?</p>
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		<title>By: Review of Fred Smeijers' Counterpunch by Dan Reynolds for I Love Typography &#124; i love typography</title>
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		<dc:creator>Review of Fred Smeijers' Counterpunch by Dan Reynolds for I Love Typography &#124; i love typography</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been much discussion about &#8220;recommended reading&#8221; on iLT as of late. After the recent review of the Logo, Font, and Lettering Bible, John asked me if I would write an article of my own. No single book can act as a complete [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] been much discussion about &#8220;recommended reading&#8221; on iLT as of late. After the recent review of the Logo, Font, and Lettering Bible, John asked me if I would write an article of my own. No single book can act as a complete [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: TypoJunkie</title>
		<link>http://ilovetypography.com/2007/12/08/logo-font-and-lettering-bible/#comment-2490</link>
		<dc:creator>TypoJunkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points guys!

I &quot;read&quot; the UK version and decided to buy it. As I bought it from Leslie&#039;s website, the controversial cover came in the mail (to my shock). Overall, I think it&#039;s a good book (content–wise), but not so good typographically speaking. A little messy and playful, qualities I don&#039;t particularly associate with good typography. And I do feel it tries to speak to everyone, instead of targeting one sector of the design public, and although I don&#039;t particularly think this is bad, I wish he had picked his audience more specifically.

Oh, and I&#039;m a graphic designer specialized in packaging, although I went typographical/type designer for two years during my recently–finished MA. Right now I&#039;m trying to get back to packaging, but I&#039;m finding it a bit hard after the MA experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points guys!</p>
<p>I &#8220;read&#8221; the UK version and decided to buy it. As I bought it from Leslie&#8217;s website, the controversial cover came in the mail (to my shock). Overall, I think it&#8217;s a good book (content–wise), but not so good typographically speaking. A little messy and playful, qualities I don&#8217;t particularly associate with good typography. And I do feel it tries to speak to everyone, instead of targeting one sector of the design public, and although I don&#8217;t particularly think this is bad, I wish he had picked his audience more specifically.</p>
<p>Oh, and I&#8217;m a graphic designer specialized in packaging, although I went typographical/type designer for two years during my recently–finished MA. Right now I&#8217;m trying to get back to packaging, but I&#8217;m finding it a bit hard after the MA experience.</p>
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		<title>By: johno (iLT)</title>
		<link>http://ilovetypography.com/2007/12/08/logo-font-and-lettering-bible/#comment-2486</link>
		<dc:creator>johno (iLT)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a shot of the UK edition cover:

&lt;img src=&quot;http://ilovetypography.com/img/uk-logo-font-lettering.jpg&quot; title=&quot;UK cover&quot; /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a shot of the UK edition cover:</p>
<p><img src="http://cdn.ilovetypography.com/img/uk-logo-font-lettering.jpg" title="UK cover" /></p>
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		<title>By: Dave Mac</title>
		<link>http://ilovetypography.com/2007/12/08/logo-font-and-lettering-bible/#comment-2478</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Robert - with Christmas just around the corner
perhaps you could add it to your list?

Cheers,

Dave Mac

G3 Creative Scotland</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Robert - with Christmas just around the corner<br />
perhaps you could add it to your list?</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Dave Mac</p>
<p>G3 Creative Scotland</p>
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