Comments on: Made With FontFont http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/26/made-with-fontfont/ Wed, 08 Feb 2012 05:35:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Sweet Typeography Links | Fresh http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/26/made-with-fontfont/#comment-12155 Sweet Typeography Links | Fresh Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:58:23 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/26/made-with-fontfont/#comment-12155 [...] winning entry will receive a copy of the FontBook; the second-place winning entry gets a copy of Made with FontFont. They’re both fantastic books that will make you happier, more successful, and the envy of all [...] […] winning entry will receive a copy of the FontBook; the second-place winning entry gets a copy of Made with FontFont. They’re both fantastic books that will make you happier, more successful, and the envy of all […]

]]> By: Bálint Magyar http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/26/made-with-fontfont/#comment-1268 Bálint Magyar Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:19:35 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/26/made-with-fontfont/#comment-1268 Cody and johno, thank you for your insightful replies. Cody and johno, thank you for your insightful replies.

]]> By: minusf http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/26/made-with-fontfont/#comment-1264 minusf Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:49:10 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/26/made-with-fontfont/#comment-1264 ConTeXt has a meaningful dummy text (nice oxymoron) \starttext \input tufte \stoptext We thrive in information--thick worlds because of our marvelous and everyday capacity to select, edit, single out, structure, highlight, group, pair, merge, harmonize, synthesize, focus, organize, condense, reduce, boil down, choose, categorize, catalog, classify, list, abstract, scan, look into, idealize, isolate, discriminate, distinguish, screen, pigeonhole, pick over, sort, integrate, blend, inspect, filter, lump, skip, smooth, chunk, average, approximate, cluster, aggregate, outline, summarize, itemize, review, dip into, flip through, browse, glance into, leaf through, skim, refine, enumerate, glean, synopsize, winnow the wheat from the chaff and separate the sheep from the goats. althought i personally like lorem ipsum. it is a traditional part of the mysticism surrounding typography :) ConTeXt has a meaningful dummy text (nice oxymoron)

\starttext
\input tufte
\stoptext

We thrive in information—thick worlds because of our marvelous and
everyday capacity to select, edit, single out, structure, highlight, group,
pair, merge, harmonize, synthesize, focus, organize, condense, reduce,
boil down, choose, categorize, catalog, classify, list, abstract, scan, look
into, idealize, isolate, discriminate, distinguish, screen, pigeonhole, pick
over, sort, integrate, blend, inspect, filter, lump, skip, smooth, chunk,
average, approximate, cluster, aggregate, outline, summarize, itemize,
review, dip into, flip through, browse, glance into, leaf through, skim, refine,
enumerate, glean, synopsize, winnow the wheat from the chaff and
separate the sheep from the goats.

althought i personally like lorem ipsum. it is a traditional part of the
mysticism surrounding typography :)

]]> By: johno (iLT) http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/26/made-with-fontfont/#comment-1258 johno (iLT) Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:26:56 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/26/made-with-fontfont/#comment-1258 Bálint You're certainly not being ignorant; but this is the point: Text serves one sole purpose--and that is to be read. When layout becomes more important than the text it is intended to support, then something is wrong. There is, of course, nothing wrong with "dummy text" per se; but it must be remembered why it is we use a layout (a grid) in the first place--simply to enhance or say to the reader, "here I am, read me!" The layout is the supporting act; the copy, the text is the star attraction. Dummy text that can actually be read, then is more realistic; it's not until we can actually read the text that we can begin to form objective opinions about the entire page. And often times, it's not until we actually READ the text, that we see problems with the layout. With a book like <em>Made With FontFont</em>--by its very nature--if it were to employ "dumb dummy text", then it might as well be called, <em>Made With Lorem Ipsum</em>. And on that point, I'm with Cody. I'd be interested to know what others think about this particular topic. Perhaps it's high time we start a "Banish Lorem Ipsum" campaign. Let the revolution begin! "You can take our families, you can take our homes. But you can't take our text! Into the fray, comrades!" Thanks, Bálint. Bálint
You’re certainly not being ignorant; but this is the point:

Text serves one sole purpose—and that is to be read. When layout becomes more important than the text it is intended to support, then something is wrong.

There is, of course, nothing wrong with “dummy text” per se; but it must be remembered why it is we use a layout (a grid) in the first place—simply to enhance or say to the reader, “here I am, read me!” The layout is the supporting act; the copy, the text is the star attraction. Dummy text that can actually be read, then is more realistic; it’s not until we can actually read the text that we can begin to form objective opinions about the entire page. And often times, it’s not until we actually READ the text, that we see problems with the layout.

With a book like Made With FontFont—by its very nature—if it were to employ “dumb dummy text”, then it might as well be called, Made With Lorem Ipsum. And on that point, I’m with Cody.

I’d be interested to know what others think about this particular topic. Perhaps it’s high time we start a “Banish Lorem Ipsum” campaign. Let the revolution begin! “You can take our families, you can take our homes. But you can’t take our text! Into the fray, comrades!”

Thanks, Bálint.

]]> By: Cody http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/26/made-with-fontfont/#comment-1255 Cody Wed, 31 Oct 2007 04:30:19 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/26/made-with-fontfont/#comment-1255 Balint You have been a typographer for a few years now and you aren't sick of looking at Lorem Ipsum? Also, in a book like this, would you want to see Lorem Ipsum as dummy text? No. I personally would not pay for a book with a word of Lorem Ipsum in it. Balint
You have been a typographer for a few years now and you aren’t sick of looking at Lorem Ipsum? Also, in a book like this, would you want to see Lorem Ipsum as dummy text? No. I personally would not pay for a book with a word of Lorem Ipsum in it.

]]> By: Bálint Magyar http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/26/made-with-fontfont/#comment-1246 Bálint Magyar Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:24:49 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/26/made-with-fontfont/#comment-1246 I don't understand your opinions about Lorem Ipsum. Forgive me, if I'm being ignorant, I've only started getting into typography and design a couple of years ago. As I understand it, Lorem Ipsum is just that: dummy text. It's incomprehensible for the sole purpose of just LOOKING like comprehensible text. It does not let the mind wander about the content, it allows the observer to concentrate on nothing but the layout. To me, this seems logical and practical. I don’t understand your opinions about Lorem Ipsum. Forgive me, if I’m being ignorant, I’ve only started getting into typography and design a couple of years ago. As I understand it, Lorem Ipsum is just that: dummy text. It’s incomprehensible for the sole purpose of just LOOKING like comprehensible text. It does not let the mind wander about the content, it allows the observer to concentrate on nothing but the layout.

To me, this seems logical and practical.

]]> By: Stephen Tiano http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/26/made-with-fontfont/#comment-1169 Stephen Tiano Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:50:33 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/26/made-with-fontfont/#comment-1169 You know, I'd almost be willing to conduct the interview with Mr. Majoor myself. I mean, by written questions-and-answer, if you could get it arranged, and—of course—to appear on ILT. Tho' I'm not sure you'd see that as beneficial to you or not. Since I’m having major server problems with my website, I can't do anything there yet anyway. I'm getting close to looking for a new, inexpensive but more reliable host. You know, I’d almost be willing to conduct the interview with Mr. Majoor myself. I mean, by written questions-and-answer, if you could get it arranged, and—of course—to appear on ILT. Tho’ I’m not sure you’d see that as beneficial to you or not.

Since I’m having major server problems with my website, I can’t do anything there yet anyway. I’m getting close to looking for a new, inexpensive but more reliable host.

]]> By: johno (iLT) http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/26/made-with-fontfont/#comment-1168 johno (iLT) Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:09:33 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/26/made-with-fontfont/#comment-1168 Stephen That's a very good idea. It's worth a try. I'll mail him. Stephen
That’s a very good idea. It’s worth a try. I’ll mail him.

]]> By: Stephen Tiano http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/26/made-with-fontfont/#comment-1167 Stephen Tiano Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:28:56 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/26/made-with-fontfont/#comment-1167 I guess it's become obvious I’m not going to get an answer from Mr. Majoor. But that leads me to wondering whether you couldn’t invite in for a session on ILT—perhaps for a guest stint or an interview—any for-real, <i>serious pro</i> type designers. God knows how much we could all learn from even a few lines from the likes of them. I guess it’s become obvious I’m not going to get an answer from Mr. Majoor. But that leads me to wondering whether you couldn’t invite in for a session on ILT—perhaps for a guest stint or an interview—any for-real, serious pro type designers. God knows how much we could all learn from even a few lines from the likes of them.

]]> By: johno (iLT) http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/26/made-with-fontfont/#comment-1166 johno (iLT) Sun, 28 Oct 2007 07:35:56 +0000 http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/26/made-with-fontfont/#comment-1166 Stephen Not sure, but if you do receive one, then be sure to let us know. Cody ...with a little help from my friends ;) Very interesting what you say about that serif mix. I'm not sure that that rationale stands up; I'll have to take a closer look. Masud No problem. I've be known to be slower :) Stephen
Not sure, but if you do receive one, then be sure to let us know.

Cody
…with a little help from my friends ;) Very interesting what you say about that serif mix. I’m not sure that that rationale stands up; I’ll have to take a closer look.

Masud
No problem. I’ve be known to be slower :)

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